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By this I mean quality wines that people hardly ever sell because of rarity or some other defining factor. I can think of two examples - Woodlands and Marius. I virtually never see them at auctions, and I'm sure the quality is universally acknowledged, but I don't know of any secondary price acceleration. Maybe there just isn't much of them, unlike say Rockford BP. Wendouree is interesting as it doubles or more in price but opinion is divided.

Are there any other examples of wines that just don't appear (much) on the auction circuit?

I have noticed a few Marius coming up at auction in the last 3 or 4 months... Alway for more than retail of course so maybe there are a few that a looking at a short term gain?

Duck Muck???

Would love to do a vertical of this wine in HKG. Only had it a few times and was impressed the way it could carry its alcohol.

Castagna

I rarely ever see Ashton Hills at auction.

Moorilla.

Hacker wrote:By this I mean quality wines that people hardly ever sell because of rarity or some other defining factor. I can think of two examples - Woodlands and Marius. I virtually never see them at auctions, and I'm sure the quality is universally acknowledged, but I don't know of any secondary price acceleration. Maybe there just isn't much of them, unlike say Rockford BP. Wendouree is interesting as it doubles or more in price but opinion is divided.

Are there any other examples of wines that just don't appear (much) on the auction circuit?

Funny you should mention Woodlands. Happened to notice yesterday a bunch on offer in the current Sterling catalog.

wines seen at auction seem to fit into several categories
those who seem to go round and round and never finding a true home regardless of true quality: Wendouree, Grange, Seppelt Para, Penfolds Bins (90A, 920, 80A etc), Noon etc
Those who have fallen out of favor with their original owners: Wendouree, Noon, Greenock Creek, Wynns Michael
and those which would not return a dollar spent: Yarra Yering, Torbreck, Majella Mellea
and those which you would rather drink than part with: MT. Mary, Wild Duck Creek, Majella Cab., Faiveley

i am sure there are many more to fit the categories but i have listed the wines i am familiar with

cheers
phill

I see a Mount Mary, Wild Duck Creek, Majella, etc...all on auction on a fairly regular basis.....They're certainly not in the quantity of Rockford, Noon, Grange or Wendouree..which pretty much dominate the auction market in terms of quantity available....

The ones I tend to see the least of are the little lesser known wines that tend to have pretty good quality....Ruggabellus and Marius used to never come up but they're becoming more popular so you have seen a few more..especially Marius....

You don't see too much Sami Odi but you do here and there. You rarely see BK Wines although the same one bottle has shown up lately. You rarely see Brash Higgins, CRFT, Chateau Pato. Smaller wineries with a good name but aren't main stream, I think are generally hard to find in auction because the people that have bought them, want to drink them.

Polymer wrote:I see a Mount Mary, Wild Duck Creek, Majella, etc...all on auction on a fairly regular basis.....They're certainly not in the quantity of Rockford, Noon, Grange or Wendouree..which pretty much dominate the auction market in terms of quantity available....

The ones I tend to see the least of are the little lesser known wines that tend to have pretty good quality....Ruggabellus and Marius used to never come up but they're becoming more popular so you have seen a few more..especially Marius....

You don't see too much Sami Odi but you do here and there. You rarely see BK Wines although the same one bottle has shown up lately. You rarely see Brash Higgins, CRFT, Chateau Pato. Smaller wineries with a good name but aren't main stream, I think are generally hard to find in auction because the people that have bought them, want to drink them.

Plus the fact that at auction there is little demand for them so they're not worth anything. That's one reason why they're better off being drunk than sold.

Well certainly you're not going to make money selling them at auction..but you pretty much don't make money selling anything at auction unless it is Rockford/Noon/Wendouree although I'd probably add Marius to that list of at least break even.

Not counting the one off wines that get something like a JH wine of the year....or the oddball 100 pointer or rare wine...

Given its lineage and how much is reportedly made, pre 1990 Yalumba Signatures dont come up often

Interesting to see some Marius coming up recently. I have been looking for some End Play 2008 for some time, but to no avail. Good to see the price for the 2012 Symphony pushing upwards...I have always thought the prices seemed low on Marius (for the quality). It does appear from the "what's in your cellar" thread that most people hoard it anyway...

simon1980 wrote:Interesting to see some Marius coming up recently. I have been looking for some End Play 2008 for some time, but to no avail. Good to see the price for the 2012 Symphony pushing upwards...I have always thought the prices seemed low on Marius (for the quality). It does appear from the "what's in your cellar" thread that most people hoard it anyway...

I have a 2008 End Play. It's companion was WOTN at a recent offline. I wish I'd have got more when released. My remaining one is not for sale.

I never see 1990 Bin 389. Probably not looking in the right places, but never see it.

I think the 1929 Domaine Ponsot Clos de la Roche has only come up once at auction....

I actually think it should be a part of every wineries marketing strategy to trickle feed selected older wines through the auction market. It keeps the memory of past vintages alive and the promise of current vintages in the mind of potential buyers. Wines that have a healthy showing at auction tend to also do well in the primary market for the current release.

AaronL wrote:I think the 1929 Domaine Ponsot Clos de la Roche has only come up once at auction....

Decent aged Riesling. There was a time when I was able to pick up cases of Petaluma Riesling 2002 at close to $20 but that supply dried up pretty quickly. Almost never see Leo Buring and Grosset.

rooman wrote:Decent aged Riesling. There was a time when I was able to pick up cases of Petaluma Riesling 2002 at close to $20 but that supply dried up pretty quickly. Almost never see Leo Buring and Grosset.

Grossets a dime a dozen @ auction

Seppelt Show Reserve Sparkling Shiraz.

When I mentioned Woodlands earlier I was thinking more of their Margaret 'Reserve'. Can't recall when I last saw some, especially '01 thru '05. Pity, I would love to get some more.

Goon.... I just dont ever see the aged fruity lexia I am looking for.

Seriously though I think the worst (i.e. hardest) things to buy at auction are Penfolds, Henschke, Greenock Creek, Torbreck, cult wines etc because these invariable are well known, well bid and likely as not fair priced or over priced.

My favourite thing with auctions was to buy random wines from random producers or random years, which has produced my more memorable purchases, e.g. Bowen Estate rieslings from 1991 and 1992 in c2011 (drinking well), Frankland Estate Isolation Ridge Cabernet 1995 in c2012, d'Arenberg Red Burgundy 1988 in c 2004, Jacobs Creek Steingarten Rieslings 2002, 2005, 2007 for c$20-25/bttl (still in cellar), etc.

If I am going to spend c$50+ then I prefer to buy the original wine myself and cellar - unless I want something specific usually for immediate consumption (like Mt Ed for a Henschke offline)

VINH NGUYEN wrote:

rooman wrote:Decent aged Riesling. There was a time when I was able to pick up cases of Petaluma Riesling 2002 at close to $20 but that supply dried up pretty quickly. Almost never see Leo Buring and Grosset.

Grossets a dime a dozen @ auction

Stand corrected, there is a decent range of Grossets on the latest Langtons but almost nothing else. No Leo Buring, no Petaluma, no Crawford River and only Pikes Merle.

Passing Clouds

Occasionally the Angel Blend pops up, but rarely see the Reserve or the Graeme's Blend.
Can only think due to the fabulous release prices, longevity to age and brilliant drinking for the money, that punters buy them to keep.

Cheers
Craig

arnoux rsv
carillon bienvenue

Adelina
Ashton Hills

They make a reasonable amount of Taittinger Comtes, but not much makes it to auction anywhere - not just in Oz..

One I am always looking out for, the 1998 Wirra Wirra Penley. Very rare to see it. Lovely wine

daver6 wrote:

Hacker wrote:By this I mean quality wines that people hardly ever sell because of rarity or some other defining factor. I can think of two examples - Woodlands and Marius. I virtually never see them at auctions, and I'm sure the quality is universally acknowledged, but I don't know of any secondary price acceleration. Maybe there just isn't much of them, unlike say Rockford BP. Wendouree is interesting as it doubles or more in price but opinion is divided.

Are there any other examples of wines that just don't appear (much) on the auction circuit?

Funny you should mention Woodlands. Happened to notice yesterday a bunch on offer in the current Sterling catalog.

Agreed. Lots of Woodlands on auction in WA, regularly.

Hacker wrote:When I mentioned Woodlands earlier I was thinking more of their Margaret 'Reserve'. Can't recall when I last saw some, especially '01 thru '05. Pity, I would love to get some more.

Yep, lots of Margaret at Sterling. I've picked up a few over the years, although not currently buying at auction.